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            <title>[DOCU-114] Commenting with EE and CE</title>
                <link>https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/browse/DOCU-114</link>
                <project id="10190" key="DOCU">Documentation</project>
                    <description>&lt;p&gt;In the &lt;a href=&quot;http://documentation.magnolia-cms.com/modules/commenting.html&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;Commenting module article&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Explain what kind of commenting is available with CE (IntenseDebate) and EE (Magnolia&apos;s own). What are the advantages of each approach?&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Write procedures for setting up commenting with CE and EE. This is somewhat documented but should be improved.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;For IntenseDebate commenting, &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.magnolia-cms.com/display/DEV/Commenting&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;wiki has some instructions&lt;/a&gt; but they are not detailed enough because &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/Question-about-commenting-td30764339.html&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;users are getting lost&lt;/a&gt;. Include instructions how to create an IntenseDebate account and get the ID.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;For EE commenting, explain what the roles forum-base, page-comments-user, forum-moderator-base, forum-pagecomments-moderator and forum-pagecomments-admin are used for. They ship with the standard installation but are not assigned to any users or groups out-of-the-box. Write a use case for assigning the roles to users so that anonymous users can view page comments, registered users can add comments, an editor promoted to a moderator can moderate etc.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Link to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blip.tv/file/2233406&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;commenting video&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Describe a clustered Magnolia configuration where user generated content such as comments are stored in a clustered repository accessed by all public instances.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;


&lt;p&gt;Resources:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/Reproduce-the-%27commenting%27-screencast-td24082381.html&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;Users list&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AbdnFchPQx8cZGdkeHQzM3FfMjMxaHhydHpoaGI&amp;amp;hl=en&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;Collaboration RFP doc on Google Docs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AbdnFchPQx8cZGdkeHQzM3FfNzU4aG1rM2ZqNHQ&amp;amp;hl=en&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;Clustering, availability RFP doc on Google Docs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://documentation.magnolia-cms.com/technical-guide/clustering.html&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;Clustering in Technical Guide&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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            <summary>Commenting with EE and CE</summary>
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                                        <assignee username="ahietala">Antti Hietala</assignee>
                                    <reporter username="ahietala">Antti Hietala</reporter>
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                <created>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:10:48 +0100</created>
                <updated>Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:49:58 +0100</updated>
                            <resolved>Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:49:58 +0100</resolved>
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                            <comment id="35088" author="ruths" created="Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:59:59 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Article at &lt;a href=&quot;http://docuauthor.magnolia-cms.com/cookbook/commenting-CE-EE.html&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;http://docuauthor.magnolia-cms.com/cookbook/commenting-CE-EE.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I included an additional section &quot;Adding commenting to templates&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A few issues:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul class=&quot;alternate&quot; type=&quot;square&quot;&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Unless I&apos;ve missed something, there seems to be a problem with the &quot;latestComments&quot; paragraph. I&apos;ve included a screenshot of the freemarker error when trying to use the paragraph - see &quot;Enterprise Edition - Standard Templating Kit section&quot;.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;I can&apos;t figure out the markup for including code in a numbered list - see &quot;Adding commenting to templates - Amend mainArea template&quot; section.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
</comment>
                            <comment id="35651" author="ahietala" created="Thu, 19 May 2011 13:43:17 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Feedback:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Move content to Commenting module article as requested in ticket.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Instead of Enterprise Edition and Community Edition as top level concepts, use Magnolia Commenting and IntenseDebate commenting. Explain in the text how they relate to editions.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Explain EE commenting first since that is what the module installs and what we sell.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&quot;This article covers...&quot; list is redundant since the same topics are in the TOC right below.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;As requested in ticket, describe the advantages of Magnolia vs. IntenseDebate commenting. See &quot;Collaboration, social&quot; RFP document.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;In &quot;Enabling and disabling commenting&quot;, do 3 and 4 as nested bullets. The steps are from different editions so it doesn&apos;t really read as a numbered procedure. Also, swap EE and CE so Magnolia&apos;s own commenting comes first.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;See recommended use of &lt;em&gt;display&lt;/em&gt; (vb) in &lt;a href=&quot;http://dev.magnolia-cms.com/mstp/index.html?page=html%2Fidh_appears.2c_displays.htm&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;MSTP: appears, displays&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&quot;In CE, comments are managed and monitored...&quot; replace &lt;em&gt;monitored&lt;/em&gt; with &lt;em&gt;moderated&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&quot;IntenseDebate id&quot;, abbr. -&amp;gt; caps. Multiple occurrences.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&quot;If you want to use multiple IntenseDebase accounts...&quot; typo&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&quot;you can override the default id on an individual template level.&quot; This is interesting. Provide a scenario where this might be useful.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&quot;To insert your id, open Templating Kit &amp;gt; Site Configuration...&quot;. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://dev.magnolia-cms.com/mstp/index.html?page=html%2Fidh_open_.28.adj.2c_.v.29.htm&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;MSTP: open (adj, v)&lt;/a&gt; for recommended use of &lt;em&gt;open&lt;/em&gt;. I prefer &lt;em&gt;click&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;go to&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;You don&apos;t need to use arrows/ellipses if you just want to emphasize a single node in the tree. Just select the node. The default blue background is quite clear. See the &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.magnolia-cms.com/display/DOCU/Documentation+Style+Guide#DocumentationStyleGuide-Example%3AScreenshotofatreeinAdminCentral&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;promo example&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Clean screenshots, nice!&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Restructure the &quot;Enterprise Edition&quot; (renamed to Magnolia Commenting) section. Try something like:
	&lt;ul&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;Magnolia Commenting
		&lt;ul&gt;
			&lt;li&gt;Paragraphs&lt;/li&gt;
			&lt;li&gt;Dialogs&lt;/li&gt;
			&lt;li&gt;Security&lt;/li&gt;
			&lt;li&gt;Moderating&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;/ul&gt;
		&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;/ul&gt;
	&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The &quot;no configuration is necessary&quot; argument is not quite true. There is some config to do to get the latestComments para working, for example. Usually it is a good thing that you can accomplish something with configuration which is faster than changing code.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;What is the difference between &lt;tt&gt;comments&lt;/tt&gt; and &lt;tt&gt;stkComments&lt;/tt&gt; paragraphs? It&apos;s probably explained below but should be where user comes across the decision for the first time.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&quot;In the STK, the comments paragraph is available in /mainArea/comments in the /prototype template, accessible in Templating Kit &amp;gt; Site Definitions /default/templates/prototype/mainArea.&quot;
	&lt;ul&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;Say &quot;template prototype&quot; instead of &quot;prototype template&quot;, see &quot;Prototype&quot; in the ETK draft on Google Docs.&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;It is hard to follow the path when it is not given sequentially. Simplify to &quot;&lt;b&gt;Templating Kit &amp;gt; Site Definitions &amp;gt;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;tt&gt;/default/templates/prototype/mainArea/comments&lt;/tt&gt;&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;/ul&gt;
	&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Freemarker error in &lt;tt&gt;latestComments&lt;/tt&gt; paragraph. This is &lt;a href=&quot;https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/browse/MGNLCMNT-31&quot; title=&quot;Incompatibility with stk 1.3, or unnecessary dependency on stk templates&quot; class=&quot;issue-link&quot; data-issue-key=&quot;MGNLCMNT-31&quot;&gt;&lt;del&gt;MGNLCMNT-31&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. To resolve, change the &lt;tt&gt;type&lt;/tt&gt; property from &lt;tt&gt;freemarker&lt;/tt&gt; to &lt;tt&gt;stk&lt;/tt&gt; and under &lt;tt&gt;parameters&lt;/tt&gt; add two new nodes &lt;tt&gt;divClass&lt;/tt&gt; (no value needed) and &lt;tt&gt;headingLevel=h2&lt;/tt&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Security permissions &amp;gt; Superuser. Superuser probably should not participate in moderating, deleting or activating comments in any way. Such tasks would fall to a specialized editor role (&quot;Community Manager&quot;) in a typical production setup. Also, rather than editing the superuser role, assign the superuser user the &lt;tt&gt;forum-pagecomments-admin&lt;/tt&gt; which grants the same permission.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&quot;Amend mainArea template&quot;. Try to summarize the task in the heading. A savvy Magnolia user only needs to skim the headings to understand what to do. &quot;Amend&quot; doesn&apos;t really say what needs to be done. Suggestion:
	&lt;ul&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;&quot;Add comments paragraph to template definition&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;&quot;Render comments in template script&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;&quot;Enable commenting on web page&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;/ul&gt;
	&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Bulleted list restarts. This is a known issue with the wiki renderer. Try one of these workarounds:
	&lt;ul&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;Use an HTML paragraph. With HTML you can set the &amp;lt;li&amp;gt; to start at a particular number. Your paragraph heading won&apos;t be picked up by the 
{toc}
&lt;p&gt; macro so you may need to create a manual TOC if the page is long and has multiple paragraphs. You can mix wiki and HTML paragraphs on the same page.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;Move the code block after the numbered steps. The reader has to jump a bit but in a short procedure this might not matter.&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;If the code block is just a one-liner, use \\\ {
{code goes here on the same line as the step\}}&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;Stop the procedure so the code block is the last item.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;/ul&gt;
	&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
</comment>
                            <comment id="36651" author="ruths" created="Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:14:25 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Updated module page at &lt;a href=&quot;http://docuauthor.magnolia-cms.com/modules/commenting.html&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;http://docuauthor.magnolia-cms.com/modules/commenting.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Deleted the cookbook article and combined it with the original module page&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="96870" author="ruths" created="Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:49:34 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;documented at:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul class=&quot;alternate&quot; type=&quot;square&quot;&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://documentation.magnolia-cms.com/display/DOCS/Commenting&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;http://documentation.magnolia-cms.com/display/DOCS/Commenting&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://documentation.magnolia-cms.com/display/DOCS/Commenting+module&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;http://documentation.magnolia-cms.com/display/DOCS/Commenting+module&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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