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            <title>[PUBLISHING-134] orderSiblings causes the nodes ordering process took minutes to finish</title>
                <link>https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/browse/PUBLISHING-134</link>
                <project id="14683" key="PUBLISHING">Publishing</project>
                    <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Steps to reproduce&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;
1. Create a groovy script to create ~15k nodes under root /&lt;br/&gt;
Example: create new workspace &lt;b&gt;profile&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;
/profile1&lt;br/&gt;
/profile2&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;/profile15000&lt;br/&gt;
2. Make sure &lt;b&gt;orderSiblings=true&lt;/b&gt; on author and public instances (/.magnolia/admincentral#app:configuration:browser;/modules/publishing-core/config@orderSiblings:treeview&lt;img class=&quot;emoticon&quot; src=&quot;https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/images/icons/emoticons/smile.png&quot; height=&quot;16&quot; width=&quot;16&quot; align=&quot;absmiddle&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot;/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3. choose 1 profile to publish. It will take minutes to finish&lt;br/&gt;
4.&#160;This process can cause a locked path:&lt;br/&gt;
Example logging: info.magnolia.publishing.locking.PathLockManager : Lock for path &lt;span class=&quot;error&quot;&gt;&amp;#91;internalProfiles&amp;#93;&lt;/span&gt;&#160;requested by thread [Thread&lt;span class=&quot;error&quot;&gt;&amp;#91;http-nio-8080-exec-229,5,main&amp;#93;&lt;/span&gt;] with id&#160;&lt;span class=&quot;error&quot;&gt;&amp;#91;781&amp;#93;&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;so when publishers publish another node may encounter a locking issue.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Expected results&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;
1. The publishing should be done quickly.&lt;br/&gt;
2. or the &lt;b&gt;orderSiblings&lt;/b&gt; can be configured &lt;b&gt;enable/disable&lt;/b&gt; per workspace&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Actual results&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;
1. Take minutes to finish publishing 1 node&lt;br/&gt;
2. If we try publish another node, we may encounter a locking issue&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Development notes:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;
1. I enable debug mode for publishing process on public&lt;br/&gt;
2. Current customer&apos;s internalProfile workspace has ~13k nodes.&lt;br/&gt;
3. publish ~3-10 nodes:&lt;br/&gt;
4. I got 279k debug message saying&lt;br/&gt;
receiver.operation.jcr.AbstractJcrReceiveOperation: Ordering S5YRAK_ before S5ZZ24_&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;span class=&quot;image-wrap&quot; style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;a id=&quot;92251_thumb&quot; href=&quot;https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/secure/attachment/92251/92251_image-2022-03-07-22-27-38-193.png&quot; title=&quot;image-2022-03-07-22-27-38-193.png&quot; file-preview-type=&quot;image&quot; file-preview-id=&quot;92251&quot; file-preview-title=&quot;image-2022-03-07-22-27-38-193.png&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/secure/thumbnail/92251/_thumb_92251.png&quot; style=&quot;border: 0px solid black&quot; role=&quot;presentation&quot;/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2nd try:&lt;br/&gt;
1. Current customer&apos;s internalProfile workspace has ~13k nodes.&lt;br/&gt;
2. I publish 1 node, It took Mar 8, 3:47 am &#8211; Mar 8, 3:53 am, =&amp;gt; ~6 minutes to finish ordering&lt;br/&gt;
3. &lt;span class=&quot;image-wrap&quot; style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;a id=&quot;92254_thumb&quot; href=&quot;https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/secure/attachment/92254/92254_image-2022-03-08-12-10-06-998.png&quot; title=&quot;image-2022-03-08-12-10-06-998.png&quot; file-preview-type=&quot;image&quot; file-preview-id=&quot;92254&quot; file-preview-title=&quot;image-2022-03-08-12-10-06-998.png&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/secure/thumbnail/92254/_thumb_92254.png&quot; style=&quot;border: 0px solid black&quot; role=&quot;presentation&quot;/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;
4. Exported logging:  &lt;span class=&quot;nobr&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/secure/attachment/92255/92255_extract-2022-03-08T05_04_52.914Z.csv&quot; title=&quot;extract-2022-03-08T05_04_52.914Z.csv attached to PUBLISHING-134&quot;&gt;extract-2022-03-08T05_04_52.914Z.csv&lt;sup&gt;&lt;img class=&quot;rendericon&quot; src=&quot;https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/images/icons/link_attachment_7.gif&quot; height=&quot;7&quot; width=&quot;7&quot; align=&quot;absmiddle&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot;/&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;</description>
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        <key id="108249">PUBLISHING-134</key>
            <summary>orderSiblings causes the nodes ordering process took minutes to finish</summary>
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                                            <priority id="6" iconUrl="https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/images/icons/priorities/neutral.gif">Neutral</priority>
                        <status id="6" iconUrl="https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/images/icons/statuses/closed.png" description="The issue is considered finished, the resolution is correct. Issues which are not closed can be reopened.">Closed</status>
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                                    <resolution id="1">Fixed</resolution>
                                        <assignee username="-1">Unassigned</assignee>
                                    <reporter username="minh.nguyen">Minh Nguyen</reporter>
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                <created>Mon, 7 Mar 2022 16:29:32 +0100</created>
                <updated>Thu, 14 Sep 2023 10:40:59 +0200</updated>
                            <resolved>Thu, 14 Sep 2023 10:40:58 +0200</resolved>
                                                    <fixVersion>1.3.10</fixVersion>
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                            <comment id="299504" author="rkovarik" created="Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:30:32 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Discovery:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Document known limitations for big flat structures in JCR trees&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/browse/SUPPORT-1047?focusedCommentId=35427&amp;amp;page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-35427&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/browse/SUPPORT-1047?focusedCommentId=35427&amp;amp;page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-35427&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="299530" author="pierre" created="Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:31:09 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Hi @Roman&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We run into a similar Problem where we have a Folder containing about 1500+ nodes. When publishing the folder it takes a long time and the CPU usages is rising. After 10 - 15 min. the public instances are not reachable anymore and the publication process is aborted. (DX-Core with 2 Publics)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You mentioned limitations of JCR for big flat structures. Could you describe those limitations shortly, since I have no access to that support issue you linked to.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, we cannot turn off ordering of sibling for all workspaces since it is crucial for the pages workspace.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Would it be a solution generate subdirectories where we put nodes starting with A, B, C, ... It would reduce the ampout of nodes top a few hundreds.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks a lot!&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="299637" author="rkovarik" created="Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:27:17 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Hi Pierre&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You mentioned limitations of JCR for big flat structures. Could you describe those limitations shortly, since I have no access to that support issue you linked to.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is a copy:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;when you actually use the Jackrabbit implementation of JCR there come also another aspects into play.&lt;br/&gt;
One of the main benefits of JCR is hierarchical data structure. It has been found that the more nodes you store flat the less performance you can experience. I mean in case you have a parent news page with a big amount of children at the same level. Jackrabbit limits that for up to ~10k child nodes per node but up to our experience even few hundreds of child nodes at the same level play really negative role in the performance (it&apos;s not a linear rate but exponential then) - you have to render really a lot of nodes within the tree, each needs to be resolved so it takes time. Would this be your case? Would you mind to distribute your news to be more &quot;hierarchical&quot; (i.e. collect them per month or so).&lt;br/&gt;
The second thing that can negatively affect your performance is many references to a single node but this is apparently not your case.&lt;br/&gt;
Please follow to the official&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;https://jackrabbit.apache.org/archive/wiki/JCR/Performance_115513486.html&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;JR performance page&lt;/a&gt;&#160;for details about both.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Would it be a solution generate subdirectories where we put nodes starting with A, B, C, ... It would reduce the ampout of nodes top a few hundreds.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That would definitively help, it&apos;s worth trying. If that won&apos;t be enough, we can consider this suggestion:&#160;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;2. or the&#160;&lt;b&gt;orderSiblings&lt;/b&gt;&#160;can be configured&#160;&lt;b&gt;enable/disable&lt;/b&gt;&#160;per workspace&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I hope that helps&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Roman&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="355328" author="rkovarik" created="Wed, 3 May 2023 10:13:30 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;For the record, for apps without a workflow, most of the ordering can be avoided utilising &lt;a href=&quot;https://docs.magnolia-cms.com/product-docs/6.2/Modules/List-of-modules/Publishing-module.html#_configuring_itemsperrequest&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noopener&quot;&gt;https://docs.magnolia-cms.com/product-docs/6.2/Modules/List-of-modules/Publishing-module.html#_configuring_itemsperrequest. &lt;/a&gt;But again, only in case of a tree structure respecting the Jackrabbit recommendations.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="376277" author="JIRAUSER22567" created="Thu, 14 Sep 2023 10:40:59 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;This issue is solved by introducing a fast/full ordering configuration that will support ordering on public instance: &lt;a href=&quot;https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/browse/PUBLISHING-254&quot; class=&quot;external-link&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://jira.magnolia-cms.com/browse/PUBLISHING-254&lt;/a&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
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